Eating meat and animals

Category: Animal House

Post 1 by Siriusly Severus (The ESTJ 1w9 3w4 6w7 The Taskmaste) on Thursday, 11-Jun-2009 2:25:50

I mean pretty normal, right, what do you think of it, because our comrades in China eat Dogs and cats.

Post 2 by Twinklestar09 (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Thursday, 11-Jun-2009 22:15:12

I had considered trying out a vegan lifestyle at some point, but then I read that we actually need animal meat in our diets because they have some things we need that cannot be gotten from plants and because I'm not willing to get those things thru taking pills or anything like that. However, I do still like nuts, seeds, vegies, etc, and usually eat that more than meat.
Although I would feel weird eating dog, I heard on one of those National Geographic shows that they use a certain kind of dog that is raised specifically for meat, so it's not just you're everyday pet that they eat. Even knowing this though, I'm still not sure I'd be comfortable trying it because I know it's a dog. But then probably some countries can feel weird about us as well, as there are some who don't eat or they even worship some of the animals we eat all the time, so I can respect that it's a cultural thing. Some places even eat things like rats, insects, and things like that that we'd probably also find weird or gross. The rat and maybe some bugs I would actually like to try though. *smile*

Post 3 by Godzilla-On-Toast (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Friday, 12-Jun-2009 0:30:07

I'm really not bothered, either by consuming meat or what people from other cultures choose to make food out of just because I as an American don't according to my culture. I'm pretty sure there are things that we eat that would be found shocking by people from other cultures.

Post 4 by Big Pawed Bear (letting his paws be his guide.) on Friday, 12-Jun-2009 3:32:46

a common one is the atitude of the prodominantly world to beef, and that of india and other hindu nations who reveer the cow, they would never eat beef. and of course islamic cultures who do not eat pork, jewesh also i think. so not eating certain types of meat is by no means just a vegitarian thing. `

Post 5 by Daenerys Targaryen (Enjoying Life) on Friday, 12-Jun-2009 16:32:58

I would never eat a dog or a cat.

Post 6 by pebbles (the key to flying is falling and missing the ground.) on Sunday, 14-Jun-2009 14:14:13

I do eat meat however not a lot. I like veggies more. and i could not eat a dog or a cat but I understand that different cultures have different ways. Just like people in other parts of the world find our eating habits different or strange to them.

Post 7 by Thunderstorm (HotIndian!) on Monday, 15-Jun-2009 4:18:40

I do agree that hindus are not eating cows. but my question to the hindus is, while you're eating animals like lambs and such which are eating the same grass and plants, why not cow?

(I was born as hindu) but I'm not a religious.

Raaj

Post 8 by Reyami (I've broken five thousand! any more awards going?) on Monday, 15-Jun-2009 8:19:07

agree wit post six.

Post 9 by The Sensible Millennial (I'll stop correcting you when you stop being wrong.) on Wednesday, 17-Jun-2009 17:27:28

Love the meat to death. Never had dog or cat before. I suspect it tastes like squirrel, which in turn, tastes like chicken.

Post 10 by pebbles (the key to flying is falling and missing the ground.) on Thursday, 18-Jun-2009 22:53:24

what doesn't taste like chicken. lol so wat does chicken taste like then? lol

Post 11 by bozmagic (The rottie's your best friend if you want him/her to be, lol.) on Wednesday, 02-Sep-2009 11:39:19

lol I love post 10, lol. Apparently, snake tastes like chicken. I have some old videos of Michael Palin (think monty python here) was doing his various excursions round the world in 80 days, pole to pole, the Sahara Desert and the Paciffic rim to name practically all of them, lol, and I remember in the first of these trips, he tried snake, freshly caught and killed on site in a restaurant in China. Yikes! Rather him than me, but if I were to go vegy, I think I'd miss out on things like Christmas dinners every December, with the frankfurters wrapped in bacon, the various different stuffings, not to mention, the huge turkey with enough for several helpings of sandwiches and soups for about a week afterwards, lol. I considered going vegy though, quite a few years back, till mum brought up the subject of things like Christmas dinner and I kind of got a blast from the past and realised what I'd be missing out on, lol. Meat all the way for me. O, and I forgot your scrummy Christmas bitesize sausage rolls for Christmas tea, mingling with the mince pies and iced Chrimbly cake! Aww'w'w'w'w!

Jen.

Post 12 by kithri (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Sunday, 06-Sep-2009 20:36:16

I loved all the Michael Palin travel shows!
Anyway, we might think the eating habits of other cultures are strange and may not want to try some of them, but other cultures think some of our eating habits are odd too. Yes, Hindu cultures don't eat cows and the Islamic culture doesn't eat pork.
I am a meat-eater and my family hunts so we've had squirrel, deer, various fish, elk, bear, and of course the basic pig, cow, and chicken, and sheep.
There was a restraunt in a small town by us one time that was run by an Asian couple that used to keep live chickens in the basement. They were closed by the health inspector for that, but the place was always spotless. Anyway, can't keep live animals in a place were the public goes, but you can't get any fresher chicken.
As for the dogs and cats, yes other cultures, primarily Asian, eat them, but the dogs tend to be raised as a specific breed for meat. I don't know about the cats though.
I also know of some tribes in the Amazon that specifically raise guinea pigs for eating at wedings or special feasts, and others in the same region that think any type of deer harbors evil spirits so they never hunt them.
I do eat meat, but it's gotten so expensive that we don't eat it that offten or we stay with pork chicken because beef is sky-high.

Post 13 by Eleni21 (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 07-Sep-2009 19:20:50

I love meat, though I haven't tried any "exhotic" variety. I buy organic and/or free range cause 1. I don't like cruelty to animals and 2. I don't want antibiotics and hormones in my food but that's about it. I eat vegetables sometimes but don't like the leafy greens. I try to be culturally open-minded about most things but doubt I could bring myself to eat a dog or a cat unless I was starving to death.

Post 14 by turricane (happiness and change are choices ) on Tuesday, 08-Sep-2009 9:28:31

i doubt that cat tastes that great. since it is a carnivor I imagine that a lot has to be done to it before it is pleasant to eat. Notice we rarely eat animals like lions and tigers which are meat eaters.

Dog on the other hand is omnivorous so imagine it tastes pretty good. I'd try it if I didn't have a lot of time to think about it.

My cousin was a missionary in ecuador. She ate guinea pig and said it was pretty tasty. Of course, it looks nothing like our pet variety. They are bigger and the meat is pretty stringy from running through the grass and such.

This topic reminds me of one of my favorite wwf, before they were wwe story lines. My son and I used to love watching it and I still do when no one else is around. Any wayThis dude they were pushing as a good guy had a dog named pepper. he beat the bad guy, don't remember which one. He sent him some wonderful chinese food. when he asked him what it was, he said "pepper steak." Of course the guy couldn't find his dog. That lead to a whole bunch of other stuff.


Anyway, the only thing I would definitely not eat is raw meat or fish. Sushi just disgusts me. Now, I know I'm unamerican. Same goes with seviche or steak tartar. all that stuff makes me feel very squeamish. Of course if I were starving, I imagine my problem would become much less important.

Post 15 by Eleni21 (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Tuesday, 08-Sep-2009 11:22:15

Mmmm, sushi and clams on the half shell. Me like.

Post 16 by Eleni21 (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Tuesday, 08-Sep-2009 11:24:05

Forgot to add. I like medium rare meat (bloody) but certainly not raw. Couldn't imagine that.

Post 17 by turricane (happiness and change are choices ) on Tuesday, 08-Sep-2009 15:24:29

weirdly enough tifanitza i love clams on the half shell as well as oysters the same way. they have a picture somewhere of me as a one year old sitting in a high chair eating cherry stone clams on the half shell. my dad would make the best red cocktail sauce for them too. it was so spicy and delicious. yum!!!

Post 18 by fortheloveofcreator (Newborn Zoner) on Thursday, 10-Sep-2009 20:25:02

It's strange. Some meats have very little if any neutritional value. Rabbit, for example. Though the mother rabbits' breast milk has the highest caloric value of all the malls, the meat is next to nothing when it comes to vitamins and iron.
Anybody ever tried alligator?

Post 19 by guitargod1 (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Saturday, 10-Oct-2009 2:48:39

haven't tried gator, although it's supposed to be quite good. and thanks for mentioning sushi and clams! now you have me hungry. lol.

Post 20 by Siriusly Severus (The ESTJ 1w9 3w4 6w7 The Taskmaste) on Sunday, 11-Oct-2009 16:50:18

Lucky it's lunch... Yeah. I wouldn't eat dog, however much Chinese I am or cat. Oh, and I wouldn't eat... humans either, obviously.


Never tried Alligators, have you, the person who asked?

Post 21 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Friday, 06-Nov-2009 10:48:05

I've personally never understood vegetarianism or veganism, particularly not on moral or ethical groundsgrounds. If it was really wrong to eat animals then we might as well punish the wild animals since they eat one another all the time. I respect the views of such people but I don't understand them.

Post 22 by SilverLightning (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Friday, 06-Nov-2009 12:01:35

From a biological standpoint, vegetarianism makes no sense. If you look at the teeth of humans, in the back, we have molars, flat teeth for grinding vegetables. In front of those are canine teeth, made for piercing and holding meat, in front of those, are insisors, sharp teeth made for cutting through meat. Also, the coating on the ouside of our teeth, is not thick enough for us to have a fully vegetarian diet. Animals with strictly vegetarian diets, like cows, have very thick coatings on their teeth. This makes it so that the bits of grit, dirt, sand, and rock, that they commonly eat with the grass, don't wear down on the teeth too quickly. humans don't have that. If we didn't have indoor plumbing, and the ability to wash all the dirt and grit off our vegetables, a vegetarian would die of starvation because their teeth would literally be ground away by their food.
Also, it is impossible to get protein from vegetable, why is that you may ask, because no vegetable has muscle, and that is what protein makes up. In order to get protein, you must take suplements, and as far as I know, there is no multi-vitamin tree, no daily pill vine. That is because nature made us to eat meat and vegetables.
I personally love meat. I've had gator, it is good, if a little tough some times. I've also had many kinds of wild game, from rabbits to squirrels to buffalo deer elk and moose. Meat is good for you.
I'm not sure I'd eat a dog, but then, if someone set it on my plate and didn't tell me it was dog, and I ate it, and it was good, I don't think I'd feel that bad. Same with horse.

Post 23 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Friday, 06-Nov-2009 12:55:01

Exactly. I know people who are raw vegetarians, meaning of course they don't even cook what they eat. If we didn't have the ability to wash the vegetables...

Post 24 by CrystalSapphire (Uzuri uongo ndani) on Tuesday, 15-Dec-2009 8:40:32

I've had cow, chicken and pig the usuals of corse. I've also had squirl, deer, and possom. I was tricked into eating possom but it wasn't bad. I'd never eat cat or dog

Post 25 by Twinklestar09 (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Thursday, 29-Jul-2010 12:10:07

Since a few weeks ago, I've actually tried bugs and worms with various flavorings like cheese, spicy, and stuff like that as well as chocolate-covered ones, and they were all good. *smile* I think they were baked or something because they were crunchy, and I can say the crickets taste a lot like sunflower seeds, at least to me. *smile* I've heard of bugs being eaten alive in some places, but that I know I couldn't do; just the feeling of a bug moving in my hand or landing on me is a feeling I don't like, so I know I wouldn't like one moving in my mouth. I still want to try rat though, and squirrel, snake, and possum also sound interesting.

Post 26 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Thursday, 29-Jul-2010 18:36:28

I've tried vegetarianism, and admire folks like Sir Paul and the late Linda McCartney who could stick with veganism. I couldn't. There's only so much I can do with rice & beans, and I have my own terms for bean curd. I do eat meat like chicken and beef, but not pork.

A Jewish girl I know got pork cutlets in a grocery. She poured red wine on 'em, and out popped wormlike creatures who proceeded to die. Hogs themselves carry a parasite called trichinosis, so if you really like this kind of meat, at least don't microwave it as microwaves don't kill this parasite.

A study, I believe in southern India, showed expectant mothers who were on vegan diets. Their fetuses tended to form less nephrons, or kidney cells, than did those whose mothers ate meat or fish, so they were more prone to hypertension from underdeveloped kidneys as adults. I admire anyone who can be a healthy vegan, but it really isn't for me.

Post 27 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Thursday, 29-Jul-2010 19:04:08

I agree on vegetarianism see beyondveg.com I think it is, which describes all their malformations and what can go wrong with it.
Basically you have to have first-world pills and tools to make a go of it - there's no tofu tree.
I like my meat, especially in the past few years since I've been working out very regularly.

Post 28 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 30-Jul-2010 18:31:16

The only way I can personally see vegetarianism as workable is if the person includes seafood, or eggs, or dairy. Pure veganism? No way. I'll have to check out the site.

Post 29 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Friday, 30-Jul-2010 21:59:25

And FWIW it's no pro-veg site, in fact it refutes food movements I a. hadn't even heard of and b. didn't know were possible. And I've got a fertile imagination at that.

Post 30 by Shepherdwolf (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 09-Aug-2010 18:09:08

See, I dislike that we raise animals purely to kill them, and doing it to the extent we manage is definitely hurtful in ways to the environment. There's no arguing that fact; we as individuals might be designed to eat meat and plants both, but with the number of animals needed to keep us alive by providing us meat, th environment is apt to suffer.
I'm a meat-eater, and I'm unashamed of it. I will try anything once, and I don't have to be told it's something else - or simply kept in the dark - in order to give it an honest shot. I've always wanted to try rattlesnake, buffalo, squirrel, rabbit and shark...has anyone here ever tried that latter? It's the only one that hasn't seemed to come up yet, really.
I wouldn't go looking for dogs or cats to eat, but I'm not so utterly squeamish that I wouldn't try it if someone had prepared one orr something. Just as long as it wasn't my kitten or something!

Post 31 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 19-Nov-2010 14:09:33

I checked the website. There's a lot of stuff on it, but what most caught my eye were a few things...like that a lot of people who try vegetarianism eventually abandon it (myself included), and some of the symptoms vegetarians experience, like failure to thrive and even weight gain (a couple of women I knew years ago who had significant weight problems claimed vegetarianism, and I know one didn't last at it). Meat protein is a significant source of vitamin b12, and symptoms of its deficiency (vegans are especially susceptible) include fatigue and depression (I wouldn't be surprised if Linda was depressed, she seemed very lethargic).

Now I have to return to my second address (primary physician) to find out why I have low b12 as I abandonned all attempts at vegetarianism years ago. Doing a little online research on the subject, I saw that Vitamin b12 deficiency prolonged is linked by some studies to digestive cancers and tentatively to breast cancer. Anyone remember a famous vegetarian who died when breast cancer spread to her liver? I do...the late Linda Eastman McCartney. I even had a copy of her & Sir Paul's vegan cookbook. I had always wondered what made her susceptible as some link this cancer to late in life motherhood (Mrs. McCartney had 4 kids by the time she was 30) and others to red meat (obviously she didn't eat any). Maybe longterm vitamin b12 deficiency is the answer? I think it's a possibility.

Post 32 by CrazyMusician (If I don't post to your topic, it's cuz I don't give a rip about it!) on Friday, 19-Nov-2010 15:12:51

I like meat, particularly poultry and seafood... but occasionally I will enjoy a steak or pork chops (my husband makes them the best). I don't like to eat too much meat for health reasons, but I also get my protein from nuts and eggs and cheese. In my travels I have had sushi (the actual raw fish, not california rolls), duck, dear, moose, and quail.
I don't think I would ahve a problem eating dog or cat, just so long as it wasn't anyone's pet.

As a general principle, I am against hunting for sport. It's one thing to hunt for food, or to raise cattle to provide food for the winter, but to just go out for the thrill of it to hunt... I enver got it myself.

Kate

Post 33 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 19-Nov-2010 16:25:37

Doing research on vitamin b12 deficiency, eggs, dairy, & poultry are also good sources. Even the worst western diets usually in and of themselves contain enough of that nutrient. It can also be gotten in fortified bread & cereals, but vegans and people suffering from digestive problems like sprue (gluten allergy) and Crohn's (chronic inflammation of the intestines) may also be susceptible to anemia from vitamin b12 because they may fail to absorb the vitamin because of their problems.

Personally I've never understood hunting for sport. I understand raising animals for the purpose of feeding people, or even clothing or warmth, but the thrill of the kill? Taxidermy? Mounting a head on the wall? What the heck is that about? Seems a waste.

Post 34 by squidwardqtentacles (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 19-Nov-2010 16:29:22

Also I can't get psyched about eating dog or cat, but, unlike some animal rights activists in Italy, I won't get unhinged when an elderly chef demonstrates a Sicilian recipe for cat on his own tv show. I think the man's name was Paulo Bregazzi, and it was a very old recipe he was demonstrating, and some animal rights activists made an uproar. For all I know it may have been popular when there was a shortage of meat animals or food in general. Feral cat anyone? If it's starving humans or eating cat, I'll suck up & eat cat or dog, much as I love 'em.